Eastman MiM Camp moc in CXL: 10.5D, took months to stretch but fit amazingly barefoot or with thin to medium thick socks now. If you also have small heels and struggle to find well fitting good year welt leather shoes, I wholeheartedly recommend Japanese brands who have leather shoes that are specifically designed for the Japanese feet. I own a pair of JL Lopez loafers (995) and a pair of Cheaney Lewisham (380) and with the exception of the fact that JL claim a hand stitched apron, I cant see any qualitative difference whatsoever. Those two are quite similar, in that they both have pretty large marketing budgets, run their own retail, and have ridden the wave of classic menswear in the past few years. And of course I could be wrong, but still believe theres something behind it. Would you have any insight into the quality of the GC ready to wear versus C&J handgrade please? For Im surprised not to see JFitzpatrick in the Spain list. Cnes also has great hand-welted shoes too, about 350 I believe, which look a lot more expensive.. Meermin Ron 8E UK: Snug in every direction and noticeably narrow, but wearable with no socks. Ive never heard of it or tried it, and probably wouldnt in the future as I say at the top of this most, this isnt my area of expertise really. Although it may be difficult to clearly see from the photos online, could I ask what you think of their the last/design of their chukka boots? A 42 would be too large and a 41 too small. The insoles also havent molded to the shape of my foot as I would expect by this point. *** Viberg GYW fits just a touch smaller than Stitchdown. Also Barkers at the 1880 price point are made in the UK. very lucky to have bought 8 pairs of EG at a big discount so my shoe cupboard is overflowing and needs to be trimmed now I normally wear medium weight socks from Darn Tough and Wigwam unless otherwise specified. This is very useful, thank you. Make a mark at the front of your longest toe. While a bespoke suit might of course feel a bit better in how it fits and how you can move, it isnt really more comfortable and better for the health of your body compared to a midrange full canvas suit, in the same way as bespoke shoes. Red Wing Postman: 10D, wore for a year but sold due to low volume toebox. Bought before I understood my size. If youre better of with 2 pairs of JC than 1 pair of JL is another question. I have a pair of MacNeil long wings made in 1977, two years before I was born, that I acquired used and had resoled. I have some upcoming which Ill be updating once arrived. Alden Barrie: I can be comfortable in Bluchers in 8.5E. Not least their finer ranges are really nice IMO. I've been told that the forest last is the only one available in a wide, but only in mto. It's a strange feeling last, but I can make it work. There are many brands in that segment, such as Joeworks or October Tenth, that I think might appeal to a fair number of PS readers. Do you think that this pair are too smart: https://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/products/berwick-1707-penny-loafer-9628-dark-brown-suede?variant=19309209288766&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5ZCblaOs6gIVdBPTCh32aAttEAEYASABEgKcGvD_BwE, Would this pair be better suited: https://www.carminashoemaker.com/penny-loafers-brown-suede-80113. Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). "Another area where a lot of the English makers fall down, at this price level and below, is the soles, which aren't as good as Spanish brands in general. Boot socks. When you go to shoe shows like Micam, the Berwick stand is always the one that's crowded.. Its also an experience shared by many others with much more experience than me of various brands, and something Ive been told by both retailers who sell both British and European shoes, and not least cobblers. **Renav has inconsistent sizing it turns out. Wearing socks, stand on a piece of paper with your feet against the wall. Customers complain that the Meermin shoes are often poorly finished. Wolverine 1000 mile 9D: Gusseted tongue made the break in a little hard at first, overall a bit narrow and snug in the waist, but a very comfortable fit when broken in. Start-up brands are often good on marketing, on styling and photography. In general, I think this breakdown demonstrates that you still largely get what you pay for with shoes. These insoles are advanced comfort systems that are meant to keep your feet comfy and cozy all day. Try Saphir Shoe-Eze, it actually works. Ive decided to get a pair of loafers, which Id wear with flannels, chinos, dark denim and (occasionally) shorts. . This is certainly true, and prices mentioned in this article are towards each brands respective domestic markets.. Whats interesting is that for US customers it can go both ways depending on guidelines/restrictions from the brands. Because my older Carmina heel stiffener are longer and substantial that the newer ones. I happily pay the very reasonable cost for a brand providing a certain width, a good service, retaining the lasts that suits me and other added values. Red Wing Iron Rangers (Last 8): 10D, forefoot stretched to be very comfortable. Their sole is often thinner compared to the English brands (eg CJ etc), which works fine during the warmer summer months. Hello Simon, it would be interesting to have an additional piece about brands a tier above those, e.g. The quality Crockett & Jones is now significantly better than Trickers, both sole and uppers. Ive around 20 pairs of Carmina, 2 of C&J mainline and a dozen of C&J hangrade. Really appreciate the advice. It is not surprising for people to give high praises to the Carmina shoes due to their high durability and quality build-up. Onderhound New Buteo 41.5: Volume is a little high, but the width and arch length are bang on. 210 last 9.5D: Bad fit. Leo 9.5E: Excellent fit with thin socks. I made the same experience with Bobbies shoes which ended in an oddyssey of sending shoes back and forth. Viberg 110: Last is shorter than other service boot lasts. Also worth noting, is that Ive never written about this on Shoegazing, it just came up in the discussion with Simon when we talked about differences. Lofgren 110: Im aware that its not polite anymore to cherish them, but the Steadfast Chukka in 9.5 is my best fitting shoe ever. Viberg 2030E 8.5: Good to great fit, but depends on the year and the run. The new El Salvador ones were too tight and I'd require a 10.5. Leather board can, and top-end shoes use pure leather, which adapts even more. HIRO 9: Terrible fit. Very useful for us who buy shoes in this price range. Over the course of the day they tend to pinch my toes rather than stretching to accommodate my feet, as my C&J and Weston do. Looking to buy (a much much cheaper alternative to aldens ) the Berwick plain toe derbyhttps://britishshoecompany.co.uk/collections/berwick-1707/products/berwick-mens-derby-leather-lace-up-shoes-5768-k6. Even though mine are lace-ups, breaking in has actually been very easy and I also feel like they are totally worth the money. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. JavaScript is disabled. In the past, I would spend under $300 on an item without really thinking twice about it but once I started keeping track, I began to notice that all these expenditures (which were often impulse buys or prompted by sales) were adding up to several thousand dollars a year. Ive thoroughly enjoyed this article and PS in general. You have aimed at a balance of smart casual, RTW / MTM / bespoke really useful and affordable; you have catered for all. Total:1,176 (members:154, guests:1,022), Preorders, Group Made-to-order, trunk shows, and o. Former Affiliate Vendor Threads; a Locked Forum. He was also involved in the development of the TLB Artista range, so there is a financial relationship with all of those brands. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. Carminas are more expensive than Meermins. Still tapered in in waist and heel for a comfortable lock in, but with more room in the toe box and at the ball. Because the level is higher, and also because I wasnt that impressed with Myrqvist either, personally. But now I can confidently say this was the right choice and it is worth breaking that arch in to get fit and support of this level. The shoes have a slim bevelled waist (stitched all the way to the heel), a close-cut heel and a leather heel stiffener. If anything, I would say last and design are the least obvious things they are the easiest ones to mimic. Santoni I have experienced, and I would say the same. On the raw materials, you get oak-bark tanned soles, you get the top level of upper, and so on. The $200 Meermins (while being good value for money) is nowhere near the equivalent of a pair of Carminas, and they would be quite far from the likes of G&G or EG. Trickers 4444: A perfect fit in 8.5 with medium socks in Logger boots. Meermin: I own a pair of unlined Chelsea boots in the softcalf leather and I have handled and tried on a paid of loafers in the same leather. He is, at the moment, offering something special forum readers. Ive found having slowly worked my way up the chain that in terms of value for money, its Cheaney, Trickers and Alfred Sargent which have ultimately paid off. Carmina shoes are better than Meermin shoes when all things are considered. You know what youre getting. So do only the toes get more room or is the hole shoe more roomier? Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. Sure David. It wont make them extremely soft, but should help in the process. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Above all of these. Does that refer to leather- or rubber ones? But the key issue from my point of view is that AE offers 10 widths across all the models in their portfolio, where none of the Northamptoners are able to offer more than 2 and only for very few of their models. Buying a pair of Meermins is not a decision that you are going to regret, trust me. Are there other difference? Theyre not as refined as the other Asian brands, but stand out for making Goodyear in the old-school way, stitching directly to the insole. So, rather than the gemming method that most modern Goodyear shoes have, where a canvas ribbing is used instead. Im happy I earn enough now to not care about this market segment any longer. I'm also guessing that either 9 or 9.5 in their new wide sizes would work well. Its just the next level up. I recommend .5 down and just accepting that it is a wide pattern. Carminas guidance is down by half for shell or for unlined , in all lasts. It's a reasonably generous last. I am surprised that you didnt cover Italian brands in more detail given their popularity. Carmina Simpson 8.5UK: Tried for oxfords but had to return, instep was too low for closed lacing. I have had a very different experience with EG service. I agree that they might be a touch conservative (although they do now have more stylised lasts compared to a few years back), and that youre less likely to get more interesting leathers like museum calf or patinated. Forest is a rounded toe, regular instep and more room across the forepart. We start at the top end of that market, and then gradually work our way down. Unfortunately almost all clothing has diminishing returns as you pay more, and thats certainly the case with shoes. Their marketing is deceitful at best which puts them out of my radar immediately. Jack, I havent looked at Weston in quite a while Im afraid Jack, but from what I remember they are around that kind of level, yes. To take an example, say youre in the market for an adelaide. Absolutely do not take it 1.5 down from Brannock like Viberg recommends. And its one of the few industries where youre likely to be buying direct from the manufacturer. The best made, best value quality shoe on the market is Joseph Cheaney by a country mile. I'd still stick with your usual 2030 size. However about 5 years ago they reached some export deals with local retailers here in Canada and is sold here for over 500, where I used to get them shipped from England for 2-300. It is a smidge shorter than 2030, but that's due to the lack of taper. spoo -- great thread idea (I'll soon add my info ). There are some great savings on offer and often the defects are either unnoticeable or very minor. Take for instance Santoni, Prada or S. Ferragamo. My understanding is that AE is below the likes of Crocketts in terms of make, but thats based on the input of people like Jesper who know more about them than I do. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. I also happen to like their lasts, which are sleeker than anything else I own but the C&J 348. Any other leather I handled was absolutely fine! Barefoot, thick socks, whatever. I would also include Lof & Tung on this list its Skoaktiebolagets house brand (though I havent seen any in person), and their customer service is excellent too. Sadly brands like Edward Green, Lobb and Cleverly are now so beyond my price point that I wonder if theyre now in the realm of diminishing returns? Thin socks preferred due to somewhat narrow toe box. Edward Green)? Luckily it did a tiny bit making it bearable, but damn they are still uncomforable I have to admit. Moderate arch. Id like to add a little comment on the Vietnam shoe makers here. Just make sure Trickers does not end up too chunky for you. NEW Allen Edmonds Leeds 9591 8.5 E Shell Cordovan Color 8 PTB Blucher USA. The dress shoes classics hold their own. Not a big difference though. Here you'll find an extensive sizing chart for Goodyear welted shoes from Skolyx, Yanko and TLB Mallorca. Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today! Good plan. Trickers are by no means accessible by price point (especially in the US) but get a pair from the outlet and you still have a pair of tanks that will last you for at least a decade. Lots of toe room and good heel feeling. Worn with normal dress socks. Interesting ! 4. The quality of the leather and overall construction is superb. Would be interesting to hear. I have experienced Cheaney a fair bit, my first two pairs of English shoes were from Cheaney main line (I still have one of them), plus I have worn Cheaneys imperial range as well as C&J mainline shoes. Seems to be a popular thing to write now. All one had to do is insert a sole liner, of wear thicker socks. I have found Robert (admittedly in sales, not specifically costumer service) to be accommodating in every respect; answering scores of questions over a months long decision making process. Worth asking. Measured as 9.5 D. Will get more detailed measurements after the pandemic, along with a military last fitting. Perhaps Alden, which usually has the option for lots of widths? I have this problem as well. I once dumped a veritable fortune on a pair of bespoke Berluttis that caused me so much physical discomfort I was left with the impression they had been designed by the Gestapo. Thanks for the personal comment it is very helpful and interesting, Any thoughts about the German brand Hammerstein? Thanks. Arch might be a little too aggressive for my right foot, but it should break in more. The fact is that Cheaney have one flagship store and the vast bulk of their business is on line whilst JL are paying for expensive locations and staff explains all at the end of the day its not so complicated. He was told they had changed, as you see seem to have observed as well. Meermin Burgundy Oxford Shoe || Men's US 8 UK 7 E. $50.00 + $32.48 shipping. Stitchdown boots you will get more lateral give across the width of the boot, and with welted products you'll get more . Being cheaper is an objective description of price. I used DT cushioned boot socks at the time. Still a well-made shoe, but too much spent on marketing and retail. On the otherhand Viberg Halketts and 145s fit a bit smaller in the same last. Probably also worth mentioning the Carlos Santos brand from Portugal in this price bracket. I have a pair of black calf oxfords from Morjas and the leather feels rather cheap: it looks like patent leather, only matte not shiny. Carmina shoes are more comfortable, stable, flexible, durable, and stylish than the Meermin shoes. Definitely wish Viberg made more boots on this last. Its got a bit of a shorter toe relative to the heel to ball. JavaScript is disabled. G. F. G. . Would be an excellent fit with a wider toe box and lower instep. 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